Discussion:
Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Online Communities
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n***@microsoft.com
2010-05-04 21:12:38 UTC
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Date 5/4/2010
Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively closing down the Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations in the rapidly-growing forum platform. This decision is in response to worldwide market trends and evolving customer needs.

Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort, consolidate community venues and make it easier for active contributors to retain their influence. Forums provide a healthy community environment with less spam and make answers easier to find by customers and search engines. Additionally, forums offer a better user and off-topic management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by facilitating discussions in a clean space.

We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to the community. In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out tools and resources to minimize disruption to the community discussions.

We are working diligently on providing additional resources and information in local languages later this week. In the meantime, please refer to the official Microsoft Newsgroup website http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx concerning this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made available in additional languages in the next few days.
Hot-text
2010-05-05 06:36:31 UTC
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GOOD BYE microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
Post by n***@microsoft.com
Date 5/4/2010
Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively closing
down the Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations in the
rapidly-growing forum platform. This decision is in response to worldwide
market trends and evolving customer needs.
Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort,
consolidate community venues and make it easier for active contributors to
retain their influence. Forums provide a healthy community environment
with less spam and make answers easier to find by customers and search
engines. Additionally, forums offer a better user and off-topic
management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by
facilitating discussions in a clean space.
We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to the
community. In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out tools and
resources to minimize disruption to the community discussions.
We are working diligently on providing additional resources and
information in local languages later this week. In the meantime, please
refer to the official Microsoft Newsgroup website
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx concerning
this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made available in
additional languages in the next few days.
Twayne
2010-05-07 21:15:03 UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_posting
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
98 Guy
2010-05-08 01:48:47 UTC
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Post by Twayne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_posting
Trying to make a point to an automated posting program makes you an
idiot.

Responding three times means that you're an idiot x 3.

Microsoft was, more or less, correct in multiposting that announcement
because each group must deal with it in their own way. It would have
created an enormous amount of noise if it was cross-posted and people
started to resond to it and maintain all the groups in their replies.

There are hundreds of microsoft newsgroups, and cross-posting between
them would have resulted in caos.
Twayne
2010-05-09 17:51:02 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Post by Twayne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_posting
Trying to make a point to an automated posting program
makes you an idiot.
Responding three times means that you're an idiot x 3.
Microsoft was, more or less, correct in multiposting that
announcement because each group must deal with it in their
own way. It would have created an enormous amount of noise
if it was cross-posted and people started to resond to it
and maintain all the groups in their replies.
There are hundreds of microsoft newsgroups, and
cross-posting between them would have resulted in caos.
Twayne
2010-05-09 17:54:09 UTC
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Post by 98 Guy
Post by Twayne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_posting
Trying to make a point to an automated posting program
makes you an idiot.
Responding three times means that you're an idiot x 3.
Microsoft was, more or less, correct in multiposting that
announcement because each group must deal with it in their
own way. It would have created an enormous amount of noise
if it was cross-posted and people started to resond to it
and maintain all the groups in their replies.
There are hundreds of microsoft newsgroups, and
cross-posting between them would have resulted in caos.
It is their second posting of such, NOT originated at MS, and violates ALL
newsgroup etiquette in existance anywhere. It is against any set rules for
their own newsgroups and also per RCF and FYI on netiquette. In reality, it
is spam. It is the wrong way to contact anyone about anything.

I also wish to extend thanks to you for prolonging the life of this thread;
the more MS's violations of their own rules get pointed out, the better.

HTH,

Twayne`
98 Guy
2010-05-11 02:53:06 UTC
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I see that this was your second attempt to post this reply.
Post by Twayne
Post by 98 Guy
Trying to make a point to an automated posting program
makes you an idiot.
Responding three times means that you're an idiot x 3.
It is their second posting of such, NOT originated at MS,
?

Of course it *was* originated "by" MS (not "at" MS).

What evidence do you have that it was not posted by Microsoft?
Post by Twayne
and violates ALL newsgroup etiquette in existance anywhere.
Explain what etiquette rules it violated.
Post by Twayne
It is against any set rules for their own newsgroups
Again, please explain what rules were broken.

Also note that the posts were to inform readers that the groups would
soon be closing. A very important and very rare occassion for a usenet
server.
Post by Twayne
and also per RCF and FYI on netiquette.
I didn't think there were RFC's for message composition style (ie -
netiquette).
Post by Twayne
In reality, it is spam.
Uh, no. Those posts were messages from the system operators to the
readers.
Post by Twayne
It is the wrong way to contact anyone about anything.
If the sys-admins want to inform system users of a change to the servers
they are using, what better way than to post a message informing them of
the change?
Post by Twayne
I also wish to extend thanks to you for prolonging the life of
this thread; the more MS's violations of their own rules get
pointed out, the better.
Do you have any idea what is going on?

Do you know what is going to happen with these groups?

Twayne
2010-05-09 17:58:13 UTC
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In addition, this one, which actually DID come from MS or is a very good
forgery, violates the multi-post vs x-post, which would have made ALL of the
silliness of seeing the post over and over a moot point. Here's proof of
their multipost from their spam headers:

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed;
charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18416
Message-ID: ***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl

Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
<---MULTIPOSTED!!

NNTP-Posting-Host: tide532.microsoft.com 131.107.0.102
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser:404262
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