Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'

[98 Guy]

Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8674678/Internet-Explorer-users-have-below-average-IQ.html

Users of the most popular web browser, Internet Explorer, tend to have
lower-than-average IQ, according to a survey of online habits.

PC World reports that a "psychometric consulting" firm called AptiQuant
gave free online IQ tests to 100,000 people, and then plotted the scores
against the browser on which the tests were taken.

It found that Internet Explorer users scored lower than average, while
Chrome, Firefox and Safari users were very slightly above average.
Camino, Opera and Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame were scored
"exceptionally" high.

"The study showed a substantial relationship between an individual's
cognitive ability and their choice of web browser," AptiQuant concluded.
"From the test results, it is a clear indication that individuals on the
lower side of the IQ scale tend to resist a change/upgrade of their
browsers."

Some people have suggested that there may be other factors at work.
Business Insider's Matt Rosoff points out that since IE is the default
browser for Windows PC users, anyone who doesn't know how to download
and install a new browser will be stuck with it - "which drags down the
average". And users of other browsers "include a disproportionate number
of computer geeks", which might bring their average up. Or, he admits,
it might be that "IE users really are kind of dumb."

Within the group of IE users, version 6 users score lowest, while users
of version 8 do rather better.

[98 Guy]

This version contains the full story.

Executive summary:

"But if you ever want to argue that Internet Explorer 6 users are
too stupid to upgrade, at least now you've got some empirical
evidence."

I think they would get the same result about the relationship between a
low IQ and using google to post to usenet.

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Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8674678/Internet-Explorer-users-have-below-average-IQ.html

Users of the most popular web browser, Internet Explorer, tend to have
lower-than-average IQ, according to a survey of online habits.

PC World reports that a "psychometric consulting" firm called AptiQuant
gave free online IQ tests to 100,000 people, and then plotted the scores
against the browser on which the tests were taken.

It found that Internet Explorer users scored lower than average, while
Chrome, Firefox and Safari users were very slightly above average.
Camino, Opera and Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame were scored
"exceptionally" high.

"The study showed a substantial relationship between an individual's
cognitive ability and their choice of web browser," AptiQuant concluded.
"From the test results, it is a clear indication that individuals on the
lower side of the IQ scale tend to resist a change/upgrade of their
browsers."

Some people have suggested that there may be other factors at work.
Business Insider's Matt Rosoff points out that since IE is the default
browser for Windows PC users, anyone who doesn't know how to download
and install a new browser will be stuck with it - "which drags down the
average". And users of other browsers "include a disproportionate number
of computer geeks", which might bring their average up. Or, he admits,
it might be that "IE users really are kind of dumb."

Within the group of IE users, version 6 users score lowest, while users
of version 8 do rather better.

The overall chart shows that Firefox has the smallest percentage of
low-IQ users, and the largest of average or high-IQ users. A similar
study five years ago found that users had broadly similar IQs.

Jared Newman of PC World said the results should not be taken too
seriously. "They are, after all, comprised only of people who feel
compelled to take IQ tests," he said.

"But if you ever want to argue that Internet Explorer 6 users are too
stupid to upgrade, at least now you've got some empirical evidence."

[thanatoid]

Post by 98 Guy
This version contains the full story.

<snip>

Interesting. I posted the same info in 24hr a few days ago,
since I found it quite amusing, but MY source says Opera users
are the smartest by far. That seems to be missing from your
version.

"Internet Explorer users scored lower on online IQ tests than
users of other browsers
Report says people on the old IE 6 browser scored lowest; Opera
users the highest."

Full:
http://us.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/07/29/internet.explorer.dumb/ind
ex.html

Regards
t.

[webster72n]

You people have a strange way to determine smartness/intelligence.
I have all the major browsers on my system and, in comparison, Internet
Explorer
beats every one of them, hands down.
That has nothing to do with intelligence or smartness, merely smoothness in
operation, combined with ease and effectiveness.
Mind you, MS and Bill Gates are not my friends.
OTOH, maybe I grew up with IE has something to do with it? <g>.

Post by 98 Guy
This version contains the full story.

<snip>

Interesting. I posted the same info in 24hr a few days ago,
since I found it quite amusing, but MY source says Opera users
are the smartest by far. That seems to be missing from your
version.

"Internet Explorer users scored lower on online IQ tests than
users of other browsers
Report says people on the old IE 6 browser scored lowest; Opera
users the highest."

Full:
http://us.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/07/29/internet.explorer.dumb/ind
ex.html

Regards
t.

[98 Guy]

webster72n used improper usenet message composition style by

Post by webster72n
I have all the major browsers on my system and, in comparison,
Internet Explorer beats every one of them, hands down.

You didn't mention which version of IE you use.

To quote from the article:

"Within the group of IE users, version 6 users score lowest,
while users of version 8 do rather better."

[webster72n]

"98 Guy" wrote in message news:***@Guy.com...

webster72n used improper usenet message composition style by

Post by webster72n
I have all the major browsers on my system and, in comparison,
Internet Explorer beats every one of them, hands down.

You didn't mention which version of IE you use.

I always use the latest, which is IE 9, but I still use IE 6 on my
old machine with WinME and have no problems there.

To quote from the article:

"Within the group of IE users, version 6 users score lowest,
while users of version 8 do rather better."

[N. Miller]

Post by webster72n
OTOH, maybe I grew up with IE has something to do with it? <g>.

Perhaps. I recall a YUPPIE asking to look at my copy of コミクアフタヌーン. I handed
it to him properly oriented. He grasped the open pages and attempted to flip
the binding. Realizing he was grasping the comic the "wrong" way, he turned
it over, bring the binding under his left hand. Now he could flip the pages,
but realized (from the advertisements) that he was looking at the back
cover. So he flipped it again, top for bottom. Now the binding was
"properly" in his left hand, and the front cover facing up; but he realized
that the image was inverted. So he inverted the book again, bringing it back
to the original orientation, as I had handed it to him. Once again, he
unsuccessfully attempted to flip the pages from the bound side. Shaking his
head, he handed the comic back to me, saying as he did, "I will never
understand this". I am fairly certain he was referring to the fact that it
was bound the "wrong" way, not that it was printed in Japanese.

Also, some of the earliest attempts at translation of Japanese comics
preserved the Japanese orientation, and met resistance to sales from
Yankees, who were positive that there was only one way to publish a book,
and those were bound "backwards".

So, yes, familiarity will have a lot to do with it; more than technical
superiority.

[thanatoid]

Post by N. Miller

Post by webster72n
OTOH, maybe I grew up with IE has something to do with it?
<g>.

<snip>

Post by N. Miller
So, yes, familiarity will have a lot to do with it; more
than technical superiority.

Like most people who didn't get into computers until about 1990,
I started with IE3 as well. It ALWAYS sucked. I suffered with it
for a few years, and then discovered Opera. It had tabs at
version 5 from , IIRC.

BTW, I find it astonishing that no one has managed to write a
really good browser for Windows. There IS good software for
Windows (NOT written by MS), so it SHOULD be possible.

Never mind a decent OS. The current Apple OSs and Linux being
based on Unix are almost hard to believe. But I guess that's how
technically advanced we really are.

[BillW50]

Post by thanatoid
Interesting. I posted the same info in 24hr a few days ago,
since I found it quite amusing, but MY source says Opera users
are the smartest by far. That seems to be missing from your
version.

Which sounds strange, since Opera displays incorrectly more so than
other browsers.

[Franc Zabkar]

Post by BillW50

Post by thanatoid
Interesting. I posted the same info in 24hr a few days ago,
since I found it quite amusing, but MY source says Opera users
are the smartest by far. That seems to be missing from your
version.

Which sounds strange, since Opera displays incorrectly more so than
other browsers.

That's because those web sites use broken code created by other
Microsoft products. ;-)

- Franc Zabkar

[BillW50]

Post by Franc Zabkar

Post by BillW50

Post by thanatoid
Interesting. I posted the same info in 24hr a few days ago,
since I found it quite amusing, but MY source says Opera users
are the smartest by far. That seems to be missing from your
version.

Which sounds strange, since Opera displays incorrectly more so than
other browsers.

That's because those web sites use broken code created by other
Microsoft products. ;-)
- Franc Zabkar

Then why does Chrome and Firefox work with them too? One website that
annoyed me the most was titantv.com under Opera. And Opera has had lots
of problems with forms and drop down menus too.

[Esra Sdrawkcab]

Post by BillW50

Post by Franc Zabkar

Post by BillW50

Post by thanatoid
Interesting. I posted the same info in 24hr a few days ago,
since I found it quite amusing, but MY source says Opera users
are the smartest by far. That seems to be missing from your
version.

Which sounds strange, since Opera displays incorrectly more so than
other browsers.

That's because those web sites use broken code created by other
Microsoft products. ;-)
- Franc Zabkar

Then why does Chrome and Firefox work with them too? One website that
annoyed me the most was titantv.com under Opera. And Opera has had lots
of problems with forms and drop down menus too.

Seems to work here (load of **** on but that's the the way it is)

[Mart]

It's a good thing that somebody looks after us thickies - although, to be
fair I am using IE8 on XP, so I suppose then that jacks-up a couple of IQ
points. I don't think I could cope with any of the other browsers.

As the man from Honda says - IE, ... well ... just works!

With the very basic Google screen (no ads, or other extraneous crxp clogging
my screen and slowing it down) set as my home page - especially without all
those self-inflicted toolbars that everything wants to install onto - and
take over - my pc, I don't seem to have any problems browsing for and
finding anything I want - quickly and without spam/malware. Perhaps I browse
the wrong sites. Too thick to browse the 'right' sites?

BTW - How does the IQ of a regular Win98 user compare with that of say, an
XP or Win7 user?

I know this is a Top Poast (sic) - see your sarcastic response to Harry. So
sue me!

Mart

Post by 98 Guy
Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8674678/Internet-Explorer-users-have-below-average-IQ.html
Users of the most popular web browser, Internet Explorer, tend to have
lower-than-average IQ, according to a survey of online habits.
PC World reports that a "psychometric consulting" firm called AptiQuant
gave free online IQ tests to 100,000 people, and then plotted the scores
against the browser on which the tests were taken.
It found that Internet Explorer users scored lower than average, while
Chrome, Firefox and Safari users were very slightly above average.
Camino, Opera and Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame were scored
"exceptionally" high.
"The study showed a substantial relationship between an individual's
cognitive ability and their choice of web browser," AptiQuant concluded.
"From the test results, it is a clear indication that individuals on the
lower side of the IQ scale tend to resist a change/upgrade of their
browsers."
Some people have suggested that there may be other factors at work.
Business Insider's Matt Rosoff points out that since IE is the default
browser for Windows PC users, anyone who doesn't know how to download
and install a new browser will be stuck with it - "which drags down the
average". And users of other browsers "include a disproportionate number
of computer geeks", which might bring their average up. Or, he admits,
it might be that "IE users really are kind of dumb."
Within the group of IE users, version 6 users score lowest, while users
of version 8 do rather better.

[Bill Blanton]

Post by 98 Guy
Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8674678/Internet-Explorer-users-have-below-average-IQ.html

"Internet Explorer story was bogus"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430

[thanatoid]

Post by Bill Blanton

Post by 98 Guy
Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8674678/Inte
rnet-Explorer-users-have-below-average-IQ.html

"Internet Explorer story was bogus"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430

The story may be bogus, but that does not change the fact most
IE users are morons.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_7874000/7874798.s
tm

I wonder how many of the 200,000 that went for THIS one were IE
users.

[BillW50]

Post by thanatoid

Post by Bill Blanton

Post by 98 Guy
Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8674678/Inte
rnet-Explorer-users-have-below-average-IQ.html

"Internet Explorer story was bogus"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430

The story may be bogus, but that does not change the fact most
IE users are morons.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_7874000/7874798.s
tm
I wonder how many of the 200,000 that went for THIS one were IE
users.

Most Firefox users are dumber IMHO. Luckily I don't use either very
much. But most Firefox users somehow believe they are protected and they
leave themselves wide open. And if you check out the infection rate, FF
and IE is going neck and neck. And I can't believe Mozilla leaves DCOM
wide open (like ActiveX under IE). They should know better, but they
never had done nothing about it. If Microsoft acted so stupid, we would
never hear the end of it. ;-)

[Lostgallifreyan]

Post by BillW50

Post by thanatoid

Post by Bill Blanton

Post by 98 Guy
Internet Explorer users 'have below-average IQ'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/8674678/Inte
rnet-Explorer-users-have-below-average-IQ.html

"Internet Explorer story was bogus"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430

The story may be bogus, but that does not change the fact most
IE users are morons.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/health/newsid_7874000/7874798.s
tm
I wonder how many of the 200,000 that went for THIS one were IE
users.

Most Firefox users are dumber IMHO. Luckily I don't use either very
much. But most Firefox users somehow believe they are protected and they
leave themselves wide open. And if you check out the infection rate, FF
and IE is going neck and neck. And I can't believe Mozilla leaves DCOM
wide open (like ActiveX under IE). They should know better, but they
never had done nothing about it. If Microsoft acted so stupid, we would
never hear the end of it. ;-)

You know what's REALLY dumb? We scorn the age of medicine where getting your
bumps felt seemed like a really neat idea, but now we're supposed to get our
browsers felt?
Cue Shirley Bassey and a nice dose of Propellerheads: It's all just a little
bit of history repeating!

[thanatoid]

Lostgallifreyan <no-***@nowhere.net> wrote in news:***@216.196.109.145:

<snip>

Post by Lostgallifreyan
You know what's REALLY dumb? We scorn the age of medicine
where getting your bumps felt seemed like a really neat
idea, but now we're supposed to get our browsers felt?

Can you explain what you mean? Duh... (Where my IE?)

Post by Lostgallifreyan
Cue Shirley Bassey and a nice dose of Propellerheads: It's
all just a little bit of history repeating!

That is a great song. Some genius manager got the good lyrics,
got Bassey (great as ever) and had a minor super-hit ready to
go. I am surprised you even remember the "band's" name!

[Lostgallifreyan]

Post by thanatoid
<snip>

Post by Lostgallifreyan
You know what's REALLY dumb? We scorn the age of medicine
where getting your bumps felt seemed like a really neat
idea, but now we're supposed to get our browsers felt?

Can you explain what you mean? Duh... (Where my IE?)

Bumps = phrenology.

Post by thanatoid

Post by Lostgallifreyan
Cue Shirley Bassey and a nice dose of Propellerheads: It's
all just a little bit of history repeating!

That is a great song. Some genius manager got the good lyrics,
got Bassey (great as ever) and had a minor super-hit ready to
go. I am surprised you even remember the "band's" name!

I had to. :) It's all so good it didn't seem right not to. Their OHMSS is
great too. And the tritone-heavy bit of Matriculation that accompanies a lot
of seriously shot-up corporate hallway.

[thanatoid]

Post by BillW50
Most Firefox users are dumber IMHO.

In a way. They're dumber because they don't realize FF is just
as unsafe unless you install a whole batch of add-ons. In the
early days of FFox's rise, after trying it and being TOTALLY
disgusted, I called it "IE for people who like to say they are
too smart to use IE" for a while.

Post by BillW50
Luckily I don't use
either very much. But most Firefox users somehow believe
they are protected and they leave themselves wide open. And
if you check out the infection rate, FF and IE is going
neck and neck. And I can't believe Mozilla leaves DCOM wide
open (like ActiveX under IE). They should know better, but
they never had done nothing about it. If Microsoft acted so
stupid, we would never hear the end of it. ;-)

Yeah, like with Linux, there's a strange silence surrounding ANY
problems in the FFox camps.

I have stuck by Opera since I discovered it, at ver. 5.x, and it
is just reassuring to always see data about it being the best-
maintained and safest browser. It has been this way consistently
since the beginning. While also the most innovative browser, it
always had Flash problems, but it's not the only browser that
did, and they have fixed it with 10. Also, it was always the
fastest, now 3 are about the same and one trails behind a bit.

I agree there is a much steeper learning curve with Opera, while
other browsers are "use out of the box", and it took SOME time
to find out how to set it up the way I wanted, but it was worth
it.

A major release always tends to have some VERY irritating new
features (whose value I sometimes see later, and after the
initial annoyance, I actually consider putting them back in),
but I know of no other fully functional browser which is as
customizable and which writes ONE line to the registry (on my
system, anyway) and which behaves exactly as you want it. I have
NOT tried Chrome, but I distrust Google more than MS at this
point.

OffByOne remains the fastest and safest, but it has a few
limitations (which I see as assets) which most people seem
unable to tolerate. But for me, the less "page design" and
pointless graphics I see, the better. And NOTHING beats no
script and no popups and no Flash by design.
:-)

[webster72n]

Post by BillW50
Most Firefox users are dumber IMHO.

In a way. They're dumber because they don't realize FF is just
as unsafe unless you install a whole batch of add-ons. In the
early days of FFox's rise, after trying it and being TOTALLY
disgusted, I called it "IE for people who like to say they are
too smart to use IE" for a while.

Post by BillW50
Luckily I don't use
either very much. But most Firefox users somehow believe
they are protected and they leave themselves wide open. And
if you check out the infection rate, FF and IE is going
neck and neck. And I can't believe Mozilla leaves DCOM wide
open (like ActiveX under IE). They should know better, but
they never had done nothing about it. If Microsoft acted so
stupid, we would never hear the end of it. ;-)

Yeah, like with Linux, there's a strange silence surrounding ANY
problems in the FFox camps.

I have stuck by Opera since I discovered it, at ver. 5.x, and it
is just reassuring to always see data about it being the best-
maintained and safest browser. It has been this way consistently
since the beginning. While also the most innovative browser, it
always had Flash problems, but it's not the only browser that
did, and they have fixed it with 10. Also, it was always the
fastest, now 3 are about the same and one trails behind a bit.

I agree there is a much steeper learning curve with Opera, while
other browsers are "use out of the box", and it took SOME time
to find out how to set it up the way I wanted, but it was worth
it.

A major release always tends to have some VERY irritating new
features (whose value I sometimes see later, and after the
initial annoyance, I actually consider putting them back in),
but I know of no other fully functional browser which is as
customizable and which writes ONE line to the registry (on my
system, anyway) and which behaves exactly as you want it. I have
NOT tried Chrome, but I distrust Google more than MS at this
point.

You seem to be sold on 'Opera', that's fine.
When I compare the latest version with IE 9, the latter
comes out on top, no matter what.
To compare a browser with intelligence is silly, to say the least.
It has to do with personal preference, nothing else.

OffByOne remains the fastest and safest, but it has a few
limitations (which I see as assets) which most people seem
unable to tolerate. But for me, the less "page design" and
pointless graphics I see, the better. And NOTHING beats no
script and no popups and no Flash by design.
:-)

[98 Guy]

webster72n wrote:

What webster wrote can't really be figured out because of the posting
style he uses.

He does not appear to use quoting characters (such as ">") to indicate
the material he's quoting. Because he doesn't do that, I can't figure
out where hemorroid's post ends and his begins.

[webster72n]

"98 Guy" wrote in message news:***@Guy.com...

webster72n wrote:

What webster wrote can't really be figured out because of the posting
style he uses.

He does not appear to use quoting characters (such as ">") to indicate
the material he's quoting. Because he doesn't do that, I can't figure
out where hemorroid's post ends and his begins.

Utterly quarrelsome!
I use what I've got, not what I choose.
Most people can figure it out.
If your hemorrhoids are that much of a problem,
you should have them removed.

[98 Guy]

Post by webster72n

Post by 98 Guy
What webster wrote can't really be figured out because of the
posting style he uses.
He does not appear to use quoting characters (such as ">")
to indicate the material he's quoting. Because he doesn't
do that, I can't figure out where hemorroid's post ends
and his begins.

Utterly quarrelsome!

I'm giving you constructive criticism.

Post by webster72n
I use what I've got, not what I choose.

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail

What the hell kind of piece of garbage is that?

Post by webster72n
I use what I've got, not what I choose.

You can use any number of free software programs designed to read and
post to usenet.

It's your choice. You're not forced to use "Microsoft Windows Live
Mail".

Post by webster72n
Most people can figure it out.

Fewer people are willing to have a cogent and understandible
conversation when they have to substantially re-format your posts.

Post by webster72n
If your hemorrhoids are that much of a problem,
you should have them removed.

Your lame attempt at sarcastic humor has been noted.

[thanatoid]

Post by 98 Guy
What webster wrote can't really be figured out because of
the posting style he uses.
He does not appear to use quoting characters (such as ">")
to indicate the material he's quoting. Because he doesn't
do that, I can't figure out where hemorroid's post ends and
his begins.

If you insist on using that very clever mod of my nick, at least
learn to spell it right.

[N. Miller]

Post by 98 Guy
What webster wrote can't really be figured out because of the posting
style he uses.
He does not appear to use quoting characters (such as ">") to indicate
the material he's quoting. Because he doesn't do that, I can't figure
out where hemorroid's post ends and his begins.

He is using a lame newsreader:

| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109

Somewhere, among the recent updates, the programmers borked its ability to
properly quote news articles. Beyond the breakage in the original MS Outlook
Express, that is. Then they decided to call their breakage a, "feature", and
left it alone.

WLM can't quote properly because the programmers gave up trying to make it
work right.

[98 Guy]

Post by N. Miller

Post by 98 Guy
What webster wrote can't really be figured out because of the
posting style he uses.

| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109
WLM can't quote properly because the programmers gave up trying
to make it work right.

That's in keeping with Microsoft's motto:

"If it works, it's not complicated enough"

Webster will probably come back and defend his choice in news reader,
regardless how borken it is.

Google-groupers all across usenet are doing the same (google's web
interface to usenet seems to have stopped working for the better part of
this last week - might still be that way for all I know).

[webster72n]

Post by N. Miller

Post by 98 Guy
What webster wrote can't really be figured out because of the
posting style he uses.

| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109
WLM can't quote properly because the programmers gave up trying
to make it work right.

That's in keeping with Microsoft's motto:

"If it works, it's not complicated enough"

Webster will probably come back and defend his choice in news reader,
regardless how borken it is.

I don't recall ever defending it, I simply use it because it's there
and
of my failure in successfully trying other news readers.
If its offending you so much, I can do without it.
Have a nice day.

Harry.

Google-groupers all across usenet are doing the same (google's web
interface to usenet seems to have stopped working for the better part of
this last week - might still be that way for all I know).

[98 Guy]

Post by webster72n

Post by 98 Guy

Post by N. Miller
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109

Webster will probably come back and defend his choice in news
reader, regardless how borken it is.

I don't recall ever defending it,

I said you'd *probably come back here* and defend the crippled news
reader known as Windoze Live Mail. I didn't say that you DID defend it.

But it looks like it's such a good news reader, that it takes you a
month to discover when someone posts a reply to your post. So I don't
expect to see you again until October.

Post by webster72n
I simply use it because it's there and of my failure in
successfully trying other news readers.

You are either a boob or you haven't tried very hard.

I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be downloaded
from here:

http://downloads.5star-network.com/Internet/cc32d478.exe

Here's what the user-interface looks like:

Loading Image...

Very fast and efficient and organized way to read and post to usenet.

A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer
is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own
system - exactly the same way that copies of e-mail you send are stored
locally in a "sent" folder. When you want to search for something you
posted in the past, it's much faster to search your own local sent
folder than to use Google's incredibly broken usenet search interface to
search their usenet archive.

[webster72n]

Post by webster72n

Post by 98 Guy

Post by N. Miller
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109

Webster will probably come back and defend his choice in news
reader, regardless how borken it is.

I don't recall ever defending it,

I said you'd *probably come back here* and defend the crippled news
reader known as Windoze Live Mail. I didn't say that you DID defend it.

But it looks like it's such a good news reader, that it takes you a
month to discover when someone posts a reply to your post. So I don't
expect to see you again until October.

Post by webster72n
I simply use it because it's there and of my failure in
successfully trying other news readers.

You are either a boob or you haven't tried very hard.

I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be downloaded
from here:

http://downloads.5star-network.com/Internet/cc32d478.exe

Sorry, but my system tells me that this is an incorrect link.
Yet, not to worry, I have it already on my machine, except for the
fact
that I have to set it up and provide my personal information, which
is
where I stalled...

Here's what the user-interface looks like:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/19/2010382/navigator.gif

Very fast and efficient and organized way to read and post to usenet.

A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer
is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own
system - exactly the same way that copies of e-mail you send are stored
locally in a "sent" folder. When you want to search for something you
posted in the past, it's much faster to search your own local sent
folder than to use Google's incredibly broken usenet search interface to
search their usenet archive.

[98 Guy]

Post by webster72n

Post by 98 Guy
I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be
http://downloads.5star-network.com/Internet/cc32d478.exe

Sorry, but my system tells me that this is an incorrect link.

Yes, that link doesn't seem to work.

Try this:

ftp://ftp.ufpr.br/Internet/Browser/Netscape478/cc32d478.exe

Post by webster72n
Yet, not to worry, I have it already on my machine, except for the
fact that I have to set it up and provide my personal information,
which is where I stalled...

Do you realize that when-ever a piece of software wants your personal
information - that you can lie and give it fake info?

If it asks for a name, etc, then give it webster72n.

If you don't want to use it for e-mail, then don't. You don't have to
enter any server info for e-mail (SMTP). Just usenet (NNTP).

[webster72n]

Post by 98 Guy

Post by webster72n

Post by 98 Guy
I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be
http://downloads.5star-network.com/Internet/cc32d478.exe

Sorry, but my system tells me that this is an incorrect link.

Yes, that link doesn't seem to work.
ftp://ftp.ufpr.br/Internet/Browser/Netscape478/cc32d478.exe

Post by webster72n
Yet, not to worry, I have it already on my machine, except for the
fact that I have to set it up and provide my personal information,
which is where I stalled...

Do you realize that when-ever a piece of software wants your personal
information - that you can lie and give it fake info?
If it asks for a name, etc, then give it webster72n.
If you don't want to use it for e-mail, then don't. You don't have to
enter any server info for e-mail (SMTP). Just usenet (NNTP).

Thank you for your extensive help and support, 98 Guy.
I preferred N. Miller's suggestion and used SeaMonkey instead of the
Netscape Communicator, because it was interfering with my IE9.
Seems as if I am in business.

Harry.

[98 Guy]

Post by webster72n
Thank you for your extensive help and support, 98 Guy.

Thankyou for posting a much better formatted message.

Post by webster72n
I preferred N. Miller's suggestion and used SeaMonkey instead of
the Netscape Communicator, because it was interfering with my IE9.

IE9?

I take it that you are not running Windows 98 on the PC in question
then.

I believe that IE9 will run only on Vista or Seven.

[N. Miller]

Post by 98 Guy

Post by webster72n
Thank you for your extensive help and support, 98 Guy.

Thankyou for posting a much better formatted message.

He didn't use Windows Live Mail for that article.

Post by 98 Guy

Post by webster72n
I preferred N. Miller's suggestion and used SeaMonkey instead of
the Netscape Communicator, because it was interfering with my IE9.

IE9?
I take it that you are not running Windows 98 on the PC in question
then.
I believe that IE9 will run only on Vista or Seven.

Indeed. Neither will Windows Live Mail run on anything less than Windows XP;
and he was using WLM 2011, which will only run on Windows Vista, or Windows
7.

[webster72n]

Post by 98 Guy

Post by webster72n
Thank you for your extensive help and support, 98 Guy.

Thankyou for posting a much better formatted message.

Post by webster72n
I preferred N. Miller's suggestion and used SeaMonkey instead of
the Netscape Communicator, because it was interfering with my IE9.

IE9?
I take it that you are not running Windows 98 on the PC in question
then.
I believe that IE9 will run only on Vista or Seven.

Vista is right.
I only visited this group because of my interest in the discussions.
My back-up PC has Windows ME on it, which I personally like better than
Windows 98. But that's a whole different story.
May peace be with you, brother.

[N. Miller]

Post by webster72n
Sorry, but my system tells me that this is an incorrect link.
Yet, not to worry, I have it already on my machine, except for the
fact that I have to set it up and provide my personal information,
which is where I stalled...

What personal information did Netscap Navigator require of you? I haven't
used 4.79 since I moved up from Windows ME to Windows XP. I recall entering
completely bogus personal information in some early web browser I used. But
I am reasonably certain that step was optional, and that I used the bogus
information to mess with the heads of the data miners.

However, anybody using Windows Live Mail Version 2011 has the ability to run
SeaMonkey 2.3.3, the latest version of the browser suite which most closely
resembles Netscape Navigator 4.79.

[webster72n]

Post by N. Miller

Post by webster72n
Sorry, but my system tells me that this is an incorrect link.
Yet, not to worry, I have it already on my machine, except for the
fact that I have to set it up and provide my personal information,
which is where I stalled...

What personal information did Netscap Navigator require of you? I haven't
used 4.79 since I moved up from Windows ME to Windows XP. I recall entering
completely bogus personal information in some early web browser I used. But
I am reasonably certain that step was optional, and that I used the bogus
information to mess with the heads of the data miners.
However, anybody using Windows Live Mail Version 2011 has the ability to run
SeaMonkey 2.3.3, the latest version of the browser suite which most closely
resembles Netscape Navigator 4.79.

Thanks Norman, it worked for me without a hitch.

Harry.

[MotoFox]

"[I]t looks like it's such a good news reader, that it takes you a
month to discover when someone posts a reply to your post. So I don't
expect to see you again until October."

So now you know why they called it "Eternal September". ;o)
--
MotoFox
Originator of the word "enubulous"

I just tell everybody to run Linux, myself.

The "users are idiots and are confused by functionality" approach of
Apple is a disease. If you design your OS for idiots, only idiots will
use it. I don't use a Macintosh, because in striving to be so simple,
they simply can't do what I need them to do.

Please, just tell everybody to go to Linux.

[N. Miller]

Post by MotoFox
So now you know why they called it "Eternal September". ;o)

Except that "Eternal-September" isn't a "newsreader". And Webster72n isn't
using the "Eternal-September" news server.

[MotoFox]

Except that *wasn't* intended to be a plug for everyone's favourite news
server. Basically you can thank Amerika Offline for throwing Usenet into
the vast state of humiliation it's currently in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_September_that_never_ended

I was trying to go for black comedy, but I guess CenturyQ must be
filtering humour now.
--
MotoFox
Originator of the word "enubulous"

I just tell everybody to run Linux, myself.

The "users are idiots and are confused by functionality" approach of
Apple is a disease. If you design your OS for idiots, only idiots will
use it. I don't use a Macintosh, because in striving to be so simple,
they simply can't do what I need them to do.

Please, just tell everybody to go to Linux.

[MotoFox]

Oh, and although AOffL dropped Usenet access from its "service" six
years ago, you can also thank *gle Groups for continuing it. Forgot to
mention that.
--
MotoFox
Originator of the word "enubulous"

I just tell everybody to run Linux, myself.

The "users are idiots and are confused by functionality" approach of
Apple is a disease. If you design your OS for idiots, only idiots will
use it. I don't use a Macintosh, because in striving to be so simple,
they simply can't do what I need them to do.

Please, just tell everybody to go to Linux.

[N. Miller]

Post by MotoFox
Except that *wasn't* intended to be a plug for everyone's favourite news
server.

Yet the juxtaposition of your followup to the comment about the newsreader
allowed for an alternate interpretation.

Post by MotoFox
Basically you can thank Amerika Offline for throwing Usenet into
the vast state of humiliation it's currently in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_September_that_never_ended

I am familar with that.

Post by MotoFox
I was trying to go for black comedy, but I guess CenturyQ must be
filtering humour now.

You must be a Qwest user who was "Borged" into the CenturyLink hive?

[MotoFox]

"You must be a Qwest user who was "Borged" into the CenturyLink hive?"

Uh huh.

And I've a hunch (fear) that the proposed Area Code 564, that Qwest were
so reluctant to put into place, will come closer to becoming reality if
the CenturyBorg have their way with the NANPA. I mean, some of us are
still shaking from the whole 206/360 fiasco! Now they want to make us
dial ten digits yet!
--
MotoFox
Originator of the word "enubulous"

I just tell everybody to run Linux, myself.

The "users are idiots and are confused by functionality" approach of
Apple is a disease. If you design your OS for idiots, only idiots will
use it. I don't use a Macintosh, because in striving to be so simple,
they simply can't do what I need them to do.

Please, just tell everybody to go to Linux.

[N. Miller]

Post by MotoFox
"You must be a Qwest user who was "Borged" into the CenturyLink hive?"
Uh huh.
And I've a hunch (fear) that the proposed Area Code 564, that Qwest were
so reluctant to put into place, will come closer to becoming reality if
the CenturyBorg have their way with the NANPA. I mean, some of us are
still shaking from the whole 206/360 fiasco! Now they want to make us
dial ten digits yet!

BTDTGTTS. My phone company (Pacific Bell) was Borged by SBC in 1996. My area
code was changed from 916 to 530. SBC went on to Borg AT&T and Bellsouth;
absorbing the AT&T brand in the process. But I did recently (June 15, 2011)
fire AT&T; hired Sonic.net, LLC in their place. All the stuff I was paying
AT&T over $100 a month for (and more) for just $48.97 a month, or so. And my
DSL speed went from 2,500 kb/s to 4,800 kb/s (sometimes, on a good day, even
5,000 kb/s).