Install IE 7 before XP SP3 ?

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Dale

2009-03-07 22:39:02 UTC

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Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in the
upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

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dale

C A Upsdell <""cupsdell\"@">

2009-03-07 23:23:16 UTC

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Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in the
upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

AFAIK, if you install IE7 first, you can't revert to IE6 after you
install SP3. Whereas if you install SP3, then IE7, you can go back to
IE6, if need to.

PA Bear [MS MVP]

2009-03-07 23:41:49 UTC

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If you think you'd ever want or need to uninstall IE7, install SP3 first.

Required reading IMHO before installing IE7:

About IE7 (and higher) and Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx

Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12, then
STOP!
http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
(ignore any references to Vista)

And I strongly recommend using
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx as the
installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.

Alternately, use this Direct Download link:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9ae91ebe-3385-447c-8a30-081805b2f90b

Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.

Make *certain* that you check in at Windows Update immediately after
installing IE7 and install any critical updates offered. If Optional
Updates category offers Root Certificates update, I recommend installing it
to take full advantage of IE7's additional security.

About IE7 (and higher) Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/10/11/IE7-Installation-and-Anti_2D00_Malware-Applications.aspx

What's New in Internet Explorer 7
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx

Release Notes
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/aa740486.aspx

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

Dale

2009-03-08 03:44:01 UTC

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Absolutely wonderful advice. Woulda never of thought of this. Glad I asked !
Thanks for the 'links'. I have read posts before I was ready to take this
on, and I DO remember 'Preparation is IMPORTANT' Thank You Thank You
P.S. to Robear Dyer (PA Bear) I was hoping YOU would answer..your advice is
always down to the point !
--
dale

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]
If you think you'd ever want or need to uninstall IE7, install SP3 first.
About IE7 (and higher) and Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx
Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12, then
STOP!
http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
(ignore any references to Vista)
And I strongly recommend using
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx as the
installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9ae91ebe-3385-447c-8a30-081805b2f90b
Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
Make *certain* that you check in at Windows Update immediately after
installing IE7 and install any critical updates offered. If Optional
Updates category offers Root Certificates update, I recommend installing it
to take full advantage of IE7's additional security.
About IE7 (and higher) Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/10/11/IE7-Installation-and-Anti_2D00_Malware-Applications.aspx
What's New in Internet Explorer 7
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx
Release Notes
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/aa740486.aspx
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

PA Bear [MS MVP]

2009-03-08 08:15:07 UTC

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YW & thanks very much for your feedback, Dale!

Post by Dale
Absolutely wonderful advice. Woulda never of thought of this. Glad I asked !
Thanks for the 'links'. I have read posts before I was ready to take this
on, and I DO remember 'Preparation is IMPORTANT' Thank You Thank You
P.S. to Robear Dyer (PA Bear) I was hoping YOU would answer..your advice is
always down to the point !

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

Greg

2009-03-09 18:20:01 UTC

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Ok, I have nearly the same issue, i.e., I can't get ie7 to install. Let me go
through my steps and see if anyone can help.

I have a Dell Optiplex GX280, refurbished, with XP SP2. I believe I upgraded
to ie7, and then installed SP3. No problems for a few weeks. At some point,
ie7 stopped working- hourglass for a few seconds, then nothing (sorry, not
sure what changed or if I did something- don't remember changing anything),
so I installed ie8, and it worked fine. I later decided that I didn't want
ie8 because I was afraid it would not work well for the rest of my family, so
I tried to uninstall ie8 and go back to ie7. This didn't work. After
uninstalling ie8 through "Add/Remoce Programs", ie7 would not start at
all...just an hourglass for a few seconds, then nothing. So I reinstalled
ie8, and again it worked fine.

This past weekend, I decided to do a repair install of XP (to see if ie7
could be installed again, as well as getting my volume icon back in
taskbar!), and I did uninstall ie8 first. After the repair (back to SP2), ie6
worked great. So I installed SP3, then tried to install ie7. The install goes
fine, but after reboot, when I click on ie, I again get the hourglass for a
few seconds, and nothing else. If I uninstall, I successfully return to ie6.
I really want to be at ie7, at least until ie8 is "officially" launched.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Greg

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

PA Bear [MS MVP]

2009-03-09 19:21:44 UTC

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What a mess! (And if it wasn't such a mess, I'd ask you to begin a new
thread to avoid confusion.)

Let me say right off the bat that installing IE8 Beta in hopes of fixing the
problems you were encountering in IE7 was *not* a wise thing to do, nor was
doing a Repair Install with (the remainders of) IE7 and/or IE8 Beta still
present. [1]

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?
What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications running
in the background when you installed ?

Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
(e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?

The above notwithstanding and despite what KB917964 [1] may say, since you
installed IE7 and then SP3 and then IE8 Beta, you would have had to (a)
uninstall IE8 Beta & reboot; (b) uninstall SP3 & reboot; and then (c)
uninstall IE7 & reboot before doing the Repair Install. Since you didn't,
your only recourse now if to format & do a clean install of WinXP.

5 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
[clean install = new computer]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/advanced/xppc.mspx

NB: Your anti-virus application, any anti-spyware applications, and any
third-party firewall should be disabled before installing or uninstalling a
Windows Service Pack and an IE upgrade!

Best of luck, Greg. You've certainly got your work cut out for you.

========================
[1] How to perform a repair installation of Windows XP if a later version of
Internet Explorer is installed
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917964
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by Greg
Ok, I have nearly the same issue, i.e., I can't get ie7 to install. Let me
go through my steps and see if anyone can help.
I have a Dell Optiplex GX280, refurbished, with XP SP2. I believe I upgraded
to ie7, and then installed SP3. No problems for a few weeks. At some point,
ie7 stopped working- hourglass for a few seconds, then nothing (sorry, not
sure what changed or if I did something- don't remember changing anything),
so I installed ie8, and it worked fine. I later decided that I didn't want
ie8 because I was afraid it would not work well for the rest of my family,
so I tried to uninstall ie8 and go back to ie7. This didn't work. After
uninstalling ie8 through "Add/Remoce Programs", ie7 would not start at
all...just an hourglass for a few seconds, then nothing. So I reinstalled
ie8, and again it worked fine.
This past weekend, I decided to do a repair install of XP (to see if ie7
could be installed again, as well as getting my volume icon back in
taskbar!), and I did uninstall ie8 first. After the repair (back to SP2),
ie6 worked great. So I installed SP3, then tried to install ie7. The
install goes fine, but after reboot, when I click on ie, I again get the
hourglass for a few seconds, and nothing else. If I uninstall, I
successfully return to ie6. I really want to be at ie7, at least until ie8
is "officially" launched.
Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Greg

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

Greg

2009-03-09 22:27:00 UTC

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Thanks for the reply. I guess when I have a good afternoon with nothing to
do, I will run the steps you outlined. Unfortunately, I had no idea these
things had to be done/undone in such an order!

Any idea when ie8 will be a full release version?

Thanks, Greg

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]
What a mess! (And if it wasn't such a mess, I'd ask you to begin a new
thread to avoid confusion.)
Let me say right off the bat that installing IE8 Beta in hopes of fixing the
problems you were encountering in IE7 was *not* a wise thing to do, nor was
doing a Repair Install with (the remainders of) IE7 and/or IE8 Beta still
present. [1]
What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?
What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications running
in the background when you installed ?
Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
(e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
The above notwithstanding and despite what KB917964 [1] may say, since you
installed IE7 and then SP3 and then IE8 Beta, you would have had to (a)
uninstall IE8 Beta & reboot; (b) uninstall SP3 & reboot; and then (c)
uninstall IE7 & reboot before doing the Repair Install. Since you didn't,
your only recourse now if to format & do a clean install of WinXP.
5 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
[clean install = new computer]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/advanced/xppc.mspx
NB: Your anti-virus application, any anti-spyware applications, and any
third-party firewall should be disabled before installing or uninstalling a
Windows Service Pack and an IE upgrade!
Best of luck, Greg. You've certainly got your work cut out for you.
========================
[1] How to perform a repair installation of Windows XP if a later version of
Internet Explorer is installed
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917964
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

PA Bear [MS MVP]

2009-03-09 22:32:57 UTC

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IE8 is still in beta. I fully expect another IE8 Release Candidate build
before IE8 Final is released (3Q09?).

That being said, the following holds true for the final-release date of any
beta application:

"Those who say cannot know, and those who know cannot say."

YW & good luck with the clean install!

Post by Greg
Thanks for the reply. I guess when I have a good afternoon with nothing to
do, I will run the steps you outlined. Unfortunately, I had no idea these
things had to be done/undone in such an order!
Any idea when ie8 will be a full release version?
Thanks, Greg

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]
What a mess! (And if it wasn't such a mess, I'd ask you to begin a new
thread to avoid confusion.)
Let me say right off the bat that installing IE8 Beta in hopes of fixing
the problems you were encountering in IE7 was *not* a wise thing to do,
nor was doing a Repair Install with (the remainders of) IE7 and/or IE8
Beta still present. [1]
What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
applications running in the background when you installed ?
Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
(e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
The above notwithstanding and despite what KB917964 [1] may say, since you
installed IE7 and then SP3 and then IE8 Beta, you would have had to (a)
uninstall IE8 Beta & reboot; (b) uninstall SP3 & reboot; and then (c)
uninstall IE7 & reboot before doing the Repair Install. Since you didn't,
your only recourse now if to format & do a clean install of WinXP.
5 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
[clean install = new computer]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/advanced/xppc.mspx
NB: Your anti-virus application, any anti-spyware applications, and any
third-party firewall should be disabled before installing or uninstalling a
Windows Service Pack and an IE upgrade!
Best of luck, Greg. You've certainly got your work cut out for you.
========================
[1] How to perform a repair installation of Windows XP if a later version
of Internet Explorer is installed
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917964
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]
If you think you'd ever want or need to uninstall IE7, install SP3 first.
About IE7 (and higher) and Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx
Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12, then
STOP!
http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
(ignore any references to Vista)
And I strongly recommend using
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx as the
installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9ae91ebe-3385-447c-8a30-081805b2f90b
Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
Make *certain* that you check in at Windows Update immediately after
installing IE7 and install any critical updates offered. If Optional
Updates category offers Root Certificates update, I recommend
installing
it
to take full advantage of IE7's additional security.
About IE7 (and higher) Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/10/11/IE7-Installation-and-Anti_2D00_Malware-Applications.aspx
What's New in Internet Explorer 7
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx
Release Notes
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/aa740486.aspx
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

Greg

2009-03-10 13:41:03 UTC

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Given that I have already done a repair install "incorrectly", would
performing it "correctly" per KB917964 work? Or is it too late? Is my only
option to get ie7 to work is to reformat my harddrive and reinstall XP and
all of my programs?

Thanks again,

Greg

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

PA Bear [MS MVP]

2009-03-10 20:53:15 UTC

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your only recourse now [is] to format & do a clean install of WinXP.
Given that I have already done a repair install "incorrectly", would
performing it "correctly" per KB917964 work? Or is it too late? Is my only
option to get ie7 to work is to reformat my harddrive and reinstall XP and
all of my programs?

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]
What a mess! (And if it wasn't such a mess, I'd ask you to begin a new
thread to avoid confusion.)
Let me say right off the bat that installing IE8 Beta in hopes of fixing
the problems you were encountering in IE7 was *not* a wise thing to do,
nor was doing a Repair Install with (the remainders of) IE7 and/or IE8
Beta still present. [1]
What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
applications running in the background when you installed ?
Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
(e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
The above notwithstanding and despite what KB917964 [1] may say, since you
installed IE7 and then SP3 and then IE8 Beta, you would have had to (a)
uninstall IE8 Beta & reboot; (b) uninstall SP3 & reboot; and then (c)
uninstall IE7 & reboot before doing the Repair Install. Since you didn't,
your only recourse now [is] to format & do a clean install of WinXP.
5 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
[clean install = new computer]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/advanced/xppc.mspx
NB: Your anti-virus application, any anti-spyware applications, and any
third-party firewall should be disabled before installing or uninstalling a
Windows Service Pack and an IE upgrade!
Best of luck, Greg. You've certainly got your work cut out for you.
========================
[1] How to perform a repair installation of Windows XP if a later version
of Internet Explorer is installed
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917964
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]
If you think you'd ever want or need to uninstall IE7, install SP3 first.
About IE7 (and higher) and Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx
Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12, then
STOP!
http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
(ignore any references to Vista)
And I strongly recommend using
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx as the
installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9ae91ebe-3385-447c-8a30-081805b2f90b
Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
Make *certain* that you check in at Windows Update immediately after
installing IE7 and install any critical updates offered. If Optional
Updates category offers Root Certificates update, I recommend
installing
it
to take full advantage of IE7's additional security.
About IE7 (and higher) Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/10/11/IE7-Installation-and-Anti_2D00_Malware-Applications.aspx
What's New in Internet Explorer 7
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx
Release Notes
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/aa740486.aspx
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

Leroy

2009-03-08 04:57:13 UTC

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Really does not make any difference. SP3 will install equally well with
either IE6 or IE7 installed.

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in the
upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

PA Bear [MS MVP]

2009-03-08 08:14:49 UTC

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But you will not be able to uninstall IE7 if SP3 is installed afterward
(without first uninstalling SP3).

Post by Leroy
Really does not make any difference. SP3 will install equally well with
either IE6 or IE7 installed.

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You

Dale

2009-03-10 03:41:01 UTC

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Duh to Leroy and poor Greg.
My SP3 installation went 'smooth as silk', unlike SP2 in 2004, from which I
am stilled scarred ! I can LOL NOW, but took me 6 months to recover at the
time.
--
dale

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]
But you will not be able to uninstall IE7 if SP3 is installed afterward
(without first uninstalling SP3).

Post by Leroy
Really does not make any difference. SP3 will install equally well with
either IE6 or IE7 installed.

Post by Dale
Should I install IE 7 before upgading to XP SP 3. IE 7 is NOT included in
the upgrade to XP SP 3.. Correct ? Thank You